Introducing Notion AI Agents

uh when I look at other products like when I see how they use AI it's usually like this you know helper you can ask questions to it maybe you can do minor things but with this update notion AI agents are kind of like they are integrated with AI it's so powerful and we are going to show you some examples >> hi my name is Dmitri Bonichi and I'm a content creator agency owner and AI enthusiast you're listening to the AI agents podcast brought to you by Jot Form and featuring ing our very own CEO and founder Idkin Tank. This is the show where artificial intelligence meets innovation, productivity, and the tools shaping the future of work. Enjoy the show. Hello and welcome back to another episode of the AI Agents podcast. In this episode, we're talking about Notion agents. Notion AI agents. I'm really excited.

How are you doing, Nadin? >> Yeah, I'm doing great. And um yeah, I was just like watching that video and then I I went to Notion and I tried it. It's so powerful. uh I was really impressed and uh I was kind of also jealous like uh HL form like we should we are also working on adding the power of AI into our product but I don't think I have seen any other product really put this much thought into integrating or weaving AI into the product. I don't think I've seen it in any. There are like AI pro AI products like you know chat bots that are really they're just AI. Okay, you know they are really good. Uh but uh when I look at other products like when I see how they use AI, it's usually like this you know uh you know helper

like uh you know you can ask questions to it. Maybe you can do minor things but with this update um notion AI agents are kind of like they are integrated with AI. It's so powerful and we are going to show you some examples. >> No, absolutely. I think it's it's crazy to me how many um different uh you know what we're working on right now at at Jaw Form is amazing and it's just really I think it's really edifying to see all of the amazing improvements that you know are are coming out of the rest of the industry and I think I think it's a good barometer for for the industry is headed for for AI agents in general right like uh notion AI agents are um I think just the first step in a lot of steps for what necessarily the interest of the

the market is and that's like integrated tools uh where you have the AI agent basically as a part of the ecosystem and and I'll I'll show you this video real quick and then we'll go through the article just to kind of give you guys an idea of what it is and then we'll get into it. [Music] I don't know. Thank you so much for today. Amazing video. >> Yeah. Oh, that's really It's really good. I I think they did a great job on showcasing this, honestly. >> Yeah. Yeah, very fun. Uh, but what was really interesting was like that that part it actually said, "Okay, go and uh pull on my email and create a for me." >> That's huge if you think about it. It's just, >> you know, uh you are not like copying and pasting stuff from your email to to your

buck database. It's actually creating from it. Um yeah like uh in that page it's it's showing um you know compile customer feedback from Slack, notion and email into actionable insights. Um yeah definitely it's u it's so powerful. >> Yeah know it's crazy to me that uh this even got released. I I really I really think that there's something special about um this specifically when like you you take a look at it and we'll show you how it works. just like I am baffled that notion when they were a company that was arguably in a position uh very much not focused on AI it seemed like to me like they were using like Chappie GPT 3.5 for their uh writing model and like notion AI was a glorified like chat GPT integrated into the product and then they come out of here and you know they're

even talking about building custom GPT agents like inside of notion which is really cool. So um you know it it does so many different things. It has so many different integrations. It has the ability to do 20 minutes I think it said was it 20 minutes? Yeah 20 minutes of autonomous work at a time across hundreds of pages at once. So this is really turning into a manis type product but in the notion and outside of the notion ecosystem which um you know you know as they're saying here notion 1.0 introduced a collaborative canvas. Notion 2.0 brought databases and now with notion 3.0 they've basically made it an AI first company which I think is a great step in the right direction and you just don't I wasn't ready for it. So I I'm curious you know what are your thoughts on on companies like

this kind of taking you know a database work management tool and making AI first such a prominent part of what they're doing as a company. I think they are thinking big. Um if you think about it like uh we are all doing all this work and while we are doing this work what we do is like we use all these different tools and like we spend so much time playing with the tools like tool you know creating our tools creating our databases spreadsheets tables um you know copying stuff from here to there like it's like sometimes like when you are doing work like you forget what you were doing because like you are struggling with your tools and spending so much time with them. But here we see an example of how basically you just focus on the work and you just say okay do

this for me and it does it for you and then you don't have to worry about it. I have an example to this. Um let me let me share my screen. I was thinking about this, but as an example, I tried this and I just opened notion and I just said, okay, research top summer camps near San Francisco and create a database from them. My kids are 9 and 11 years old. So, I'm thinking about the next summer, right? Finding a summer camp for my kids and then it it went ahead and um just um you know this it also shows you the thought process, right? uh it said um I need to start by researching summer camps using available web resources. So if you think about it in the old days, uh I would go do a research like copy and paste stuff and

then put them in a spreadsheet like I will spend so much time and like just you know this would have taken me days uh to come up with with something or like you know maybe I will just take the easy route route and just uh find find some summer camp but in this case uh basically this like just it's this Easy, right? And then I prompted it to like uh find the distance from San Francisco and then uh basically put it put it in the spreadsheet and sort it by it. Uh and then it created this column and then uh basically um now I have a list of different um different things and I can say okay research more maybe some others. So like maybe I I ask it to basically add Google maps. Um, I should zoomed in. Um, okay. >> I was like,

what are you doing? >> Uh, yeah. I don't know how how I did this. Fixing it now. Yeah. So, basically, uh, yeah, let me close this. And basically, it added Google Maps links to all these locations. So, I can actually look at them on the map. Um, next action would be like, okay, you know, I could go to their websites or I could ask it to like, you know, bring me uh pictures from these summer camps and then put them into a folder so I can browse with the kids and like ask them what they think about it. Um so this is just like suddenly a multi-day project turns into this like 15 minutes project and the the document you showed um right um right it actually says now your agent can do up to 20 minutes of autonomous work at a time across hundreds

of pages at once. This means like this is kind of like mainus if you think about it. Uh like with mayus you could actually ask it to do things and then you watch it to do them. Uh now notion actually turned into like a mainus competitor. So now you have this worldclass product that can actually do all the things that you need to do like databases uh you know documents and everything but it can also do all the things AI products can do. uh why would you use why would you go to chip and try to do do it over there and then copy paste the data to somewhere else while you when you can actually just do it inside notion right I would actually just go to notion and do it and I wasn't a big notion user I used it time to time

I love their design but with this I can see myself using it all the time um as opposed to go going and doing research uh on mainus or like Gemini or ch I could just do it from uh notion. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I I absolutely agree. I think I think it's what's really incredible to me is like I've been a notion user for about uh five years now, right? I love notion. It's great. It's amazing. But what's always been frustrating is that like they're always behind they they felt like at least, right? Not saying that. I mean, it seems like right now not the case. They're usually behind the eightball when it comes to this type of stuff, right? So, what is what do I mean by that? So, um I mean that they're behind the eightball on, you know, you have database

stuff. I feel like they were behind the eight-ball on and the loading stuff there. And then it it's just continued and continued and continued to get more and more frustrating as a user and things would bug out. Like recently there's been some instability issues and and and you know what's funny though, believe it or not, the reason that they end up having these type of instability issues, I think, is because they're working on something like they're secretly working on something big in the background. And you know, I I I laugh at it and it's true. Like it seems like consistently true. We had a amazing amazing update that came and now I haven't experienced in the last seven days any of the weird their databases would essentially stop kind of working so to speak. And what do I mean by that? I mean like >>

I think there probably just been an upgrade to the new version >> and those >> exactly like everyone on my team was like I don't know what to do like I'm I can't like my basically databases would crash completely and not work and I was like ah guys I don't know what to tell you like this is just notion being notion. Um yeah um you know it's it's it's really interesting to me that uh there's so many different ways a company can move forward and even if you think what I what I find most fascinating about this is I don't know if anybody would have been able to predict this was going to be so well executed. Notion's biggest knock from me as the notion power user or Notion guy for the last five years has been your integrations suck. You can go on my

YouTube channel. I've probably made a hundred videos about that topic. Just like why can you not integrate with stuff well and the fact that they've been able to do it on this level means they a heard the feedback and we just had to be patient. >> Definitely. Um if you think about it integrating with emails is really hard. Um, and then like being able to use your email like a database. It's so powerful. It's so powerful because everything you do is in your email. Uh, you know, you get a confirmation about whatever you do, right? So if you give access to notion to access your email that means that you can actually query anything any meeting you have any you know conversation you have any kind of like you know site you signed up for right all these information all these communication with customers they

are sitting right there in your emails and now notion is able to integrate with that notion agent is able to integrate with that which is different Right? If no, if just notion was integrated with that, there was very limited amount of things that you could do, you could probably just search like your email or something. But now that you have this notion agent that can actually work work for 20 minutes at a time, right? It doesn't mean like it will just work 20 minutes, right? I'm pretty sure you can probably say, you know, do something like this every day. go and check my emails every day and then like you know uh find most important things and maybe like just you know send me a text message or something like that right there's just like so many things it could do uh but being able

to like have access to email and turn that into turn that data into database is is so powerful I think that um it's going to be you know amazing for like you especially for small businesses who are like constantly dealing with stuff. Um I think that's like so powerful. >> No, absolutely. I think I think you're you're right on there and um uh you know it's it's pretty it's pretty amazing to me that there's no you know there's there's there's no tools out there right now from my perspective on the the smart side like I'm thinking of the list of their competitors. Well, actually, we never did cover on it and I guess it was more chat oriented than anything, but did you see that ClickUp released like their AI thing a little bit ago? >> Nope, I haven't seen. >> No. Okay. So, ClickUp

released something interesting and I think this is a good um segue into like everything that other competitors are trying to do. I'll share my screen real quick and show you. ClickUp Brain is what it's called. >> I love the name. Yeah, it's a really good name. >> Shopify also has a sidekick. That's also a good name. >> That is a good name. Yeah. So, what they're trying to do is make a connected tool, right, to their um and you you know what ClickUp is, right? >> Uh yeah, I know it. >> Okay. So, meetings that take notes, smart slip recording, scheduling back and forth, um agenda, smart agenda builder, answers without search. So, if I go to I'll re Oh, sorry. I'll reshare my screen. This is another tool that and the only reason I'm bringing this up is like you know ClickUp is the

main competitor to notion pretty much. So um this is like what they built. So this is a project management app making like a like a complete AI tool right with integrations to things like GPT5 >> and whatnot. So, it's very interesting to me that they've done this. And the goal is that you're going to add sources like this, right? Your Google calendar, even notion for some reason, which is funny. Um, One Drive, Slack, Teams. So, what I find this fascinating is that Notion and um, ClickUp are in a position where they're asking questions uh, are asking or answering the question, how are you going to integrate AI with your product? Well, right. So this is a thing that you can do. Say I was assigned tasks. I asked the question find tasks that are assigned to me, right? Show task completed in my personal list.

These are all questions that you have never been able to naturally ask. You know your your your workspace so to speak. And connected work to me is so fascinating. Like if I say create a task for user research, which list would you like to create it to? um pres the list name or URL. So I'd have to go I'd have to be a constant user, but there's even web search, there's deep research. There's a lot of stuff in here. And it's very similar to what notion did, but not as on the same scale, right? Um and I I don't know. I I didn't want to like segue it too much into what this can do. But point being, you get what I'm saying? Like there's there's like a trend here. There's a trend of companies saying, "Hey, AI is this big thing. We're not only

going to make your average like chat add-on. We're going to make it so that it can access data and access >> and it can do things for you. >> Yeah. Do things for you >> between an agent and like a regular helper sidekick uh whatever it's called copilot. I I think the difference is um an agent is able to take action on your behalf and do things for you and like um do the work for you basically. Uh and you can even say, "Okay, do this every day at 8 a.m." And by the time you're in front of your computer, someone actually worked hard and created a report for you, for example. Um, if you think about it, uh, it's just like, you know, it's like some someone working for you, handling things for you. So, I feel I feel like this agent, um, agent

trend is really cool. Um, and more tools should be adding like agent features to to their products. Um and the the point is uh when you have an agent uh basically whatever you do as a part of your job now it the the products can actually do them for you like it's like you know they're on autopilot uh they're on autopilot handling actions for you and you are basically like this manager who is like telling your autopilots your you know AI pilots okay um I'm doing these things do them for you for me. And like this allows you to work on a much higher level. Uh because all the manual things you usually do is basically done for you already done and uh you can just like kind of like a instead of like a single person now you are like a 20 person team

>> that can handle uh more things. And then this actually helps you become more creative because like usually what happens is that like you get stuck uh doing things and at some point like you don't have time to be creative uh you don't have the energy uh for it. But if someone is like working behind uh you know behind the computer handle doing all those things for you like you could just keep adding things and uh just keep building uh more and more uh build your systems and improve those systems. No. And and you know this this leads me to a question. You're a business owner, right? You haven't used notion really. It wasn't like something you were in. I don't know what is the company like for your company. Do you have like an internal um project management tool that you primarily default to

as a company? Just out of curiosity. >> Um we we are a team of teams. Uh so at Jatform like changes per >> we have all these small teams and we give them like the flexibility to pick their own tools that they use. So we don't have like this companywide tool that we use uh for project management. For me I don't actually believe in project management. What I really believe in is like just um focus on like really big important thing and then just uh like be so much focused that that I don't even need a project management because I'm all the time thinking about that like whatever whatever project I'm focused on right now. I don't actually do anything else pretty much like just you know uh morning and night I'm always thinking about that. I don't need the project management. Uh so uh

but we uh we have all these like systems that track bugs and you know feature requests and all the feedbacks things like that. So it's you know we still have the systems most of the systems actually built inhouse like we are not using any outside tool like everything like our support system our bug tracking system pretty much everything is actually uh built by us like because you know whenever we try and tool that we we don't actually like them so we just built inhouse for some reason and u and I think one of the reasons is like we are pretty old like um uh as you can see from this like building form since 2006. We are going to be like two decades old and and when we were building our systems there weren't any good products and like and we we had to build

our own like you know support system back to system everything uh project management uh things like that um but for me it's it's it's about like you know uh being focused on a single thing so that um you know I can really think about think about it all the time. >> Yeah. And and this is the reason I'm asking right is like you say you were somebody who was like hey >> Mhm. >> I I want to have a consistent product right for project management. Would is this put you in a position as a as a business owner to be like yeah I want a consistent thing and you start thinking to yourself okay well what what do I go towards? Is this like a big needle mover for you as a decision maker at a business if if you were to make that decision

like this is the tool we'd use or no? >> Okay. You you mean like decisions to use which tools? >> Yeah. Like so like say say you didn't have a team by team structure with uh project management, right? >> And you're like some companies like I worked at a big company, we used a sauna, right? >> Mhm. Do you think as a business owner features like this AI stuff would be a big reason why you'd pick a tool for your team to use over another one? >> Absolutely. >> It's um because it's uh it just makes your job much um easier to be able to like like the example with the uh summer camps. um simply type in what I need and build in the database. It's just huge. uh and basically like if I was using a tool like chip or mayus right I

would have created that research but now with notion um I feel like I can take it to the next level right with notion you can create a to-do list with notion um you can create documents um so basically it's it's not like you know it's not like chip pitty history like you you have to go back and find what you were doing with notion. This could be like this living document that you continually update and build and like just um you know maybe I prepare a list I show it to the kids like we look at the pictures things like that and then we keep doing the research. So um it's because these kind of tools are more like you know um long-term like you know as you said project manage basically project management like um they're more useful and like products like chi or

like mainus they are kind of like a one time like you go and use them once and you get results and uh it's they are not really um useful for project management. So now weaving it together um both project management and a AI together means that it's just so much more powerful because like you're not just tracking your work and then doing your work. You're basically both tracking your work and the AI is doing your work. It's uh you know saves you so much time and you don't have to copy and paste do all all the other things. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's a I think that's a really good point. And you know, from a hiring perspective, um I got to ask, right? Like do you feel like and and once again it's kind of a hard question because you don't

believe in project management as much like do you think that if there was an agency right out there where it's like, hey, we got this project manager that helps keep us organized across all these different projects and stuff. Do you think that this could even remove positions like this or make it so that there's like way less project managers because they get answers to questions so much quicker >> because the the data is there for them to write out >> hey I want to get X answer or or type in I want to add project >> there's definitely a case can be made that AI is actually removing jobs you know just like tracking something right just you know if You're just tracking something, right? >> Oh man, you do not like project manager clearly. That's funny. I've never heard you say that. >> If

you're only tracking something, you're not really contributing, right? Um, so it's I think >> that was funny, man. I mean, yeah, I I'm of the I That was great. I'm of the opinion, to be quite frank, that >> this is also good for people like if you think about it like with our support, right? all the like easy questions they are actually handled by AI now but all the uh like now you know our support team is actually like handling the cases uh like it's much more you know their job is much more fun now because like they are not answering the same I forgot my password uh kind of similar uh support questions those can be handled by AI now they are handling uh they are taking better care of customers because now they have more time to spend time with real problems as

opposed to >> you know BS I don't want to make plus more >> oh that was funny it just came out like you know with project management if you're all you are doing is like just keeping track of how things are going >> uh I think it's just it doesn't make sense like you know um >> it's it's just like you should be like like it's al it's also it's also not good for you right it's not fun for you to just be a keep person who is tracking what's happening like you want to be creative you want to do um contribute right and you know AI able being able to do so much like makes you much more productive um uh much more powerful and this means that you know um people who had to do BS stuff now they can actually like contribute

more And >> and hey man, I actually kind of agree with you. I was just thought it was funny because I hadn't had heard you swear in like forever. Um, but no, it was it's it's it's very true that it's there's a lot of jobs where it's just information transfer, right? And I love the experience I've had with project managers. Project managers are usually good like people and whatnot, but there is one main issue that I've always had a problem with and this is as a boss too. It's like can't you guys organize yourselves? Like personally, I'm you know I come from the background of making videos about notion and to-d doist and all these like organization tools. It's so that you know what your list is of things to do, right? And what was always it's always very frustrating to me is I'm very

anal about it. like making sure that I I know what's going on, right? I have my list of things. I know what's going on. That's where a lot of the automation stuff came from. So that any nonsense I could get rid of it. And I think you're right. I think a lot of BS jobs are getting automated by this. And and practically what I was getting at is like let's say a company wants to have a project manager. Okay. What does a project manager do? Get on calls, write down tasks, record uh record notes. Okay. Meeting notetakers. got rid of that. Uh, we got meeting to notetakers that have the ability to define action items, right? That's another thing that they don't do anymore. Uh, sending follow-up emails. Boop. That's can be automated in AI Gentic. Now, and what I was getting at is now

what we have, which is interesting, is we have ClickUp, we have notion, and they have the ability to record calls. They have the ability to get the action items from those calls. they have the ability even now even further be able to search their task database and add to their task database via typing. So if it it's a it's brain dead, right? In order to be able to be the leader on a project, be on a call and be like, "Hey, can you take these action items and put them in the database?" And then if you don't have to ask a project manager, "What's the due date?" >> Is anybody on the team can ask the agent, "What's the due date?" >> That was my point. So you actually kind of articulated in your own funny way, but yeah, >> I guess the question is

like, are you really a project manager or are you like this project tracker? I think if you tracker now AI can handle all those things like >> and many project managers they're probably don't have time to be a manager. >> Uh all their time is gone doing project tracking. So now with the help of AI if you use these tools now you can really be a product project manager. You can really manage it manage those projects and I think everybody wants that. Um you know uh I think it's a good thing. >> Yeah. I know I that's that's fair. Um and I appreciate No, I really appreciate you for being so candid and and and whatnot. It is funny, but I'm serious like it it is a very important thing. So I I mean just kudos to you know kudos to the companies doing this

and I think what I find interesting too and this is something that's definitely in the realm of like wow I wouldn't have expected this is notion right is in an interesting position as well where they have been doing some sneaky things over the last few years where everyone's been saying where am I not why am I not seeing what I thought you did let me explain notion bought Kron, which was like actually a top of market indie calendar app. >> Two, three years ago. And then they immediately announced there's going to be a Google calendar sync integration and then it never was released. So, everyone's been pissed about it. Um, but and then they bought a mail app last year and everyone's like, "Okay, great." Like, what's going to happen? Like, they're they're going to buy it, they're going to reskin it, and it's going

to do nothing. But what ended up happening is they've been playing the long game where they've been doing that. Yes, they've been reskinning apps and turning it into notion calendar and notion mail, but now they have an ecosystem of tools with their endpoints and stuff and they and with now MCPs, I'm sure they can then turn it into a comprehensive complete work tool, right? where it's like, hey, we have this specific video or sorry, this specific feature we want to implement Google calendar integration. That's a great idea. That's supercharged now because you can type into a chat. It's like, I have this thing to do, right? Can you check my calendar and see what's a reasonable time I could try to find a time to make this task work and put a due date for it? Or you can say, "What did that person email

me about XYZ thing?" You know, kind of like we showed with MCPs last week. Kind of it's almost its own little MCP ecosystem in a way. >> You can ask a question now to notion mail and to your notion calendar and to the other tools that are in there. And it just since it's in your project management system, it's a lot easier to navigate through. And I guess a natural question then from this kind of comes where it's like do you think practically that um there's going to be a addition or subtraction? I don't know how to word it. Do you think there's going to be adjustments on what products are used in the way we said with the MCP episode? because I almost felt like in that episode we were saying chatbt and claude might be your go-to place to type into >> because

it's going to connect to all these different tools but your notions your clauds are trying to make it the other way around. Where do you think that'll kind of net out? >> Um I mean it's interesting um I haven't really looked into like notion mail and calendar into it. Uh so one way they might be using it would be like okay this uh this is the like clone of your data on Google calendar or Gmails um into your or any other service >> so that you have all this data >> easily accessible indexed so that you can quickly access that data search that data use it analyze it it's like having another database so I don't know if they use it that way or they are just thinking about okay there's still probably so many people who don't use Gmail or Google calendar and we

can provide this service to them. So I don't know which strategy they are following uh but I felt like uh the first one is probably makes more sense for them and I think it's a good idea because now they are able to like their agent their AI agent is able to like have access to all the data like all the emails are there it's probably being synced uh from your Gmail constantly so that and and the data is um easily accessible in their database. to to be used. Um so this gives them so much more power to be able to do things because um like everything you do it's in your emails. Everything you are planning to do it's in your calendar. So if you have access to those two things you access you have access to your business or your personal life. Uh basically

they have access to to it all and um they can do things for you. Um the notion agents could actually do things for you because they have that context. They have your emails. They have your um you know calendar. They know uh what's happening and the AI agent can use that context to make decisions. Um so I think it's it's very powerful. I don't know if that's the strategy. Uh that could be the strategy. Uh but yeah, I think it's it's very powerful and like having this suite of all the products is also useful. >> Sure. Um I mean at chat form we we also try to like add all these additional products so that when people need them um because you know uh it all started with forms but we saw like people needed more and more like you know we added like workflows,

approvals uh document generation like right custom emails uh generation um for example um you know the JF sign and app builder like we added so many features because people who are using forms needed those um so yeah uh I would say it's it's definitely powerful I don't know what was your question >> no no that no that's fair no yeah I I think another natural question to probably ask just from the perspective of somebody who is a you know is a is a person trying to build their own AI agent do you find inspirations through this type of stuff with um you know um your this >> what >> I was very inspired by by notion's product definitely and we're also adding you know AI features at chatform and definitely I'm inspired and um you know I I picked up some ideas that we could

use at chat form as well. Yeah. um any you can share or anything specifically that inspired you that maybe you can share like what part of it you know not saying that like you know I want you to reveal the road map but is there anything like you saw and you went >> this summer camp example was very inspirational because uh >> yeah why >> it's like um basically this the the job here is to do a research and put it in a single uh spreadsheet and then make a decision, right? And usually to be able to do this, I have to spend like so much time and with three kids, >> right? Uh I don't have a lot of time. And uh now like if I'm you know comparing ski resorts or something like that, it just uh it these kind of tools actually

make it so easy easy to be able to uh like um do the research for you and keep track of things and basically you are building the database. So the one of the problems with chip or mayus is that it's just like one time okay do me this research right and then you get the research if you want to edit it right but this is a living and breathing database now I created this database whenever I have additional questions I can go back to notion AI and say okay go and like you know bring me list of all the activities available in these summer camps right and um go and you know research their reviews and um you know bring me some example reviews right I could just keep adding to this and this is turning into a uh and if I have like this

to-do list uh I can actually integrate with this database right uh and one of the examples on um notion AI's uh website was like this um like okay build me a CRM system right Sure, >> I do this job. Build me a CRM system. And it was actually working like you know 15 minutes like just creating tables uh creating all the all the things you might use and then connecting them to each other. So you basically like instead of going and like using a product like Salesforce or HubSpot, you could basically just use that system and you basically build your own uh custom software and if you say okay you know I work this way change it this way now notion AI could actually edit that software to make it uh more you know custom to your specific requirements. So uh I feel like you

know you know mayus or chip they're like one time like you know you you get it you you do it I mean you can always iterate but they're not like you're not building software to be to use it uh you know in the long term but with notion it's like you're building your own custom software to be able to use it in the future. That's why it's so powerful. Yeah. >> No I think I think you're definitely you're definitely right on with that. So, um, you know, I think there's a lot of different use cases with this. Um, we probably can talk about this forever to be honest, but I think just the just the la last note I'll have uh on this is probably there are a bunch of different tools out there that I think we'll start seeing have tremendous tremendous adjustments in

their I guess what the word I'm looking for is in their approach so to speak. It's like they're going to stop trying to build integrations for tools, right? They're going to start trying to build this type of integrations for tools. So, like if you see a tool out there where you think they are, I don't know what the word is. I guess um if you think that they're going to start making, you know, your normal Google calendar integration or whatever, they might be slower to do it because they're practically trying to do this whole thing where it's like I type into a box and I get all the answers to all the questions and I can move stuff around rather than just like, oh, I can like integrate the calendar. That's cool. Right. And I and that would be my note to anybody who's like,

I like this tool. maybe want to jump to Notion. You could. I think you should try this tool. I think it's great. But just just as happened with Notion, who is a multi-billion dollar valued company with like the largest base of users that are actively telling you what they want. They were slow to get it to be done, but that doesn't mean it's because they're not working on it. It might be they're like working on a big thing that'll come out and you never know. So, that'd be my last note on that. I mean um as long as I don't think any competitors has this much capabilities. So you know slow is not the end of the world. I think you know uh now they are fast actually if you think about it much faster than the others right. Um, >> practically speaking, absolutely. >>

Google Sheets has uh Gemini, but any like I tried it couple of times, it's just terrible. Like I cannot do this with Google Sheets, Gemini, right? It doesn't have these capabilities. Um, so it's more like okay, Gemini is powerful. Let's add Gemini to Google Sheets. But notion AI has so much thought behind it like they they have been probably working on this for at least a year and just putting so much work into this and they weren't just like okay let's just add AI here. they were actually thinking about how how they use notion and how we can integrate with that and then like they don't have to build research like we research into their AI like no other product actually does that other than like research oriented product but as you can see um I can actually do a research as a part of

like while I'm like you know working on a document on notion or database on notion um I think that's an important decision they made and I think it's the winner decision. >> I think you're I think you're definitely spot on there. I think I think it was the best decision they've argue arguably ever made. So, um yeah, I guess with that being said, you know, I I appreciate everyone for listening to this episode. I just want to give a shout out to all of our listeners. We hit a new follower. Well, followers are always going up, but we hit a new um daily consumption hours and uh play record again. uh weekly, daily, monthly. So, you guys are just continuing to support and listen and we got more interviews got coming out for you. I'm getting a lot of requests now. So, we're getting a

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